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Title: What do you think about....
Post by: Prof. Hacker on July 10, 2012, 11:26:27 AM
How "interactive" do you think a haunt should be?

No touching has been an unwritten rule, but what if...  some form of "appropriate" touching were allowed?
and what would the limits be?  can we, say, chain you to a wall?  cover your head?  re-arrange a hairdo?  drip slime?  drip or spray water?

Just curious....  ;-)

-Prof. Hacker


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Sissyhaunt on July 10, 2012, 12:49:53 PM
Hmm? Seems like with Bethyboo and I, we get too much interaction lol. Let's see.......touching? We have gotten our feet grabbed and even been held off the ground high enough to trying running through air, which doesn't work by the way. Your feet go but you don't move! Chained to a wall? No way unless you want us running through the remainder of the haunt with your wall because  we would do it.  Cover head? All I can say is....no, no, and no. Had a scarf put over my head at a haunt last year by a particular clown at a particular castle last year while in line and that was too much lol. Hair? That too has been messed with even though I try and keep it in a pony tail for aerodynamic reasons, can't have it slowing me down or blocking visuals....big mistake woman make in horror shows is to leave it down. Water? Have had that done too, both spray and dripped, even had bubbles lol. Slime would be a completely new experience and wouldn't mind if got on clothes but not on face because with the way we scream it would go right in our mouths and we would probably choke to death because we aren't bright enough to learn to keep our mouths shut yet. AND, of course, we are already dangers to ourselves as any who has seen us can attest to.

Seriously, though, the most fun we have had is when we have experienced any of these things. Those are the times we talk about all year long and look forward to even if at the time we are experiencing it seems like a really bad thing. These things have to be completely unexpected though to make it work. It plays on our deepest fears because being in a scary situation any touching, whispering in your ear, blowing on you etc. is terrifying because you can't see what is doing it. Like I said, we haven't learned from past experiences yet so...........LOVE IT!



Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: krb187 on July 11, 2012, 10:58:02 PM
The way I look at it is the more interactive the better, I think that the "normal" haunted house experience starts to get stale after awile and people begin to get used to it. So the more a person can really be emersed into the experience the better experience they'll have. Hell, I say if they agree to it, then anything is fair game.


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Radiant_Red on July 12, 2012, 11:42:06 AM
Hah, "fair game" . I am all for a more interactive haunt experience. Bring it on!


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: handfulofrubies82 on July 12, 2012, 06:17:28 PM
The more interactive, the better. I don't mind my hair being tossed, someone taking my hand and leading me somewhere,  hands on my shoulders pushing me somewhere or holding me back. My only request is that if there is slime, fake blood, etc.. I want to know that something like that is going to be used so I throw a hoodie on and protect my clothes. 

I will forever hold anything labeled "interactive" up to my McKittrick visit. I think its been discussed, but I still don't understand how Sleep No More can be so interactive without a waiver, but a haunted house can't attempt half of what they do without one? I understand the reason is the fear of being sued by someone.  How do you account for the different desires of a theater audience vs a haunt audience? Does it have something to do with the expectations of the people going in? SNM patrons go in expecting, and wanting those 1:1 interactions, and that play between actor and patron. Some of the haunt people, like on this forum want the haunt experience to be more interactive, but I know a lot of people going into haunts don't have any desire for that interaction. They just seem to want the pop scare and to go on.

How do you amp up the interaction for some, while keeping the experience tame enough for the masses?


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: krb187 on July 12, 2012, 10:37:34 PM
Yeah if you ask packbacker, rubies, or red, they all know about my own personal "interactive" experience that I gave them all last year  ;D


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: handfulofrubies82 on July 13, 2012, 01:26:08 AM
I have a few more thoughts on the issue of interaction. I think interaction has to be encouraged more. One of the first rules we learn going into a haunt is 'Don't touch the monsters, the monster won't touch you". You get it at every haunt you go to. As a patron, you're taught a lot of do nots. Don't linger, keep moving. Don't touch things, don't move things. I think there have to be new rules. I think interaction has to be encouraged more. In most haunts, patrons just react to whatever the actor does. There isn't a lot of back and forth. I'm not expecting to have to interact with the actors most places. A lot of places, you just are there for the scare, and you go on to the next room. Plus, you're rarely in a scene/room long enough to truly have any shared moment.

I like how at HH you usually have a choice in the beginning, of going two separate ways. I like when actors separate a group, make you talk to the actors. Maybe they hold you back awhile. I like when there are consequences to your actions. By that, I mean I would like for patrons to have to do something, in order for something else to happen. Instead of all the responsibility of the scene falling on the actor,, I want a scene to work because both actor and patron interacted and created something, an experience. That's what keeps the haunt new and fresh. That means that you can go through a haunt more than once because your interactions with the actors can vary and be somewhat different and you know its not going to get stale.


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: packbacker on July 13, 2012, 06:46:23 AM
I think krb nailed it.  After awhile things get a bit "stale".  Don't get me wrong- I go.....and I go a lot but I *live* for new and "the next step" (see my interest in Blackout in NYC).  The experience I had at my 2nd ("no rules") midway visit last year was simply amazing. 

I think interactive is fantastic......but has to be done very carefully.  People that are intoxicated, naturally aggressive, or simply scared shit-less will not respond well.  Even minded people looking for the next big scare is what you should shoot for and I'd think a way to experiment with it would be a night where only that was done (charge more if needed) and use smaller groups/longer "tours".

I think the limits just need to be spelled out ahead of time and then it's buyer beware.  If liquid/slime/whatever is used then needs to be told ahead of time and I'd encourage the use of a "safe word" if you do things like chaining/covering head etc where when you cry "uncle" things are stopped (and you are escorted out).

Intrigued by the concept!  But I will freely admit that it's not for everyone and I can forsee some issues.  That being said the Cannibal Creek attraction at COH has been touching people for ~2 years now.  It definitely makes for an interesting experience.  Had one group member dragged off for a little while and a lot of sniffing of the hair/ears....very creepy!


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Sissyhaunt on July 13, 2012, 08:09:57 AM
I think that there should be some warning about kids or having to be a certain age. Even though I am a chicken those are the best haunts for adults. they are the ones talked about all year and the ones w hen u  f inally get to, we sit in the car saying this is a stupid idea and we are not                             
getting  out of the car the and realize the car isn't safe either! what fun!

Again bethyboo and I never learn lol


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: krb187 on July 13, 2012, 02:45:35 PM
Yeah I agree, I think alot of haunts (esp the smaller ones like HH) should be more adult oriented at least part of the time. If someone wants a "safe family-friendly" haunt experience then go to Spookywoods or Scarowinds or something like that. But a place like HH or Midway or something that doesnt run as many people through could definately benefit from more interaction and making the experience more adult and more Holy S@#T! What did I just do!? If that makes any sense haha. Thats just one guy's 2 cents though.


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Sissyhaunt on July 13, 2012, 04:16:30 PM
totally agree


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Cousin Levi Slaughter on July 13, 2012, 04:57:39 PM
Well,
we "try" to have a few key actors that interact heavily with the audience, & with certain groups the experience WILL become adult rated. It's a very fine line though, it all too easy to "set off" someone that has issues with personal space, or going into the dark, or is just confrontational.
Most of you know I'm a HUGE haunt fan, & I love when I'm going through a haunt and the experience becomes "more" than your average performance. I might suggest if you would like that inform the guy at the door or first room..
"inside tip"
Most of haunts use someone at the door or in the first room to "gauge" how the group will be, slow, runners, crap talkers, drunks, ...so on. By doing this we can keep the "flow" as good as possible or move security to an area to intercept. by telling  those people you want "a little more" for your money, you might just get it.
Slaughter.


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Sissyhaunt on July 13, 2012, 05:37:47 PM
So does that mean if bethyboo and I hop up and down yelling we are chickens you will go easier on us?


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Julie on July 13, 2012, 07:03:39 PM
For me, and I would think the majority of folks on this board, the more interactive the better.  But I also think you let patrons know what might happen. A disclaimer (like amusement park rides) to let them know that they may get wet, they may be...whatever might happen.

You had people sign a waiver going through the haunt when you did the charity events. Would that be enough? Maybe some of the characters warning patrons as they wait in line what might happen. That would certainly up the ante, and the ones who were freaked out could bail, or ask for a milder experience?

How about adult only shows where you had to be 18 or older to enter, as well as under 18 nights?

I would also love a show where you could actually take your time and look at everything...a behind the scenes look. Yes, I know, you didn't ask about that, just thought I would suggest it while I could! :)


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Cousin Levi Slaughter on July 13, 2012, 10:01:56 PM

I would also love a show where you could actually take your time and look at everything...a behind the scenes look. Yes, I know, you didn't ask about that, just thought I would suggest it while I could! :)
Julie,
Years ago we actually did this...were a "few" people who really wanted to get in on their friends took  "backstage" visit on their 2nd trip to our haunt & actually got in on the fun with the couple they brought with them,that they had told "they had to go into the haunt by couples only".
The problem is when it's busy... it's too busy for too much of this... Don't get me wrong I want everyone to get a good show & have a good time, but there is NO way we can give the same shows we did back in the old days when we might only to 40 or 50 people all night.
The numbers sucked, but the customers got a great show..."like 10 minutes in a room interacting with a character"...so much fun, but I hope we are NEVER that slow again....or I'll be bankrupt.     L.O.L

At Sissy...
Nothing will make them go easier on you unless you have a small kid in your arms, & some of them still will not care!

As for Hacker House, well that's the only haunt that still makes me feel like a kid...I'm sure if you ask for it...you will receive!


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: krb187 on July 14, 2012, 12:01:23 AM

At Sissy...
Nothing will make them go easier on you unless you have a small kid in your arms, & some of them still will not care!
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Haha yeah I terrorized a toddler last year, I think Packbacker saw it if I'm not mistaken.


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Julie on July 14, 2012, 04:19:31 PM
Slaughter,

I wasn't so much thinking about a tour when patrons were there (although that would be FUN!), but more a tour after the season was over. If there's anyone else out there like me, I'd love to actually be able to walk through and see the props, etc, without feeling I was holding up the line. Having actors around would be great, but maybe not necessary for this kind of tour?

And please don't get me wrong, I still want to go through the haunt another night and be scared out of my wits, too! This would just be a perk...if the owners didn't mind sharing what they had worked so hard to put into place.


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Cousin Levi Slaughter on July 14, 2012, 05:04:06 PM
I completely understand,
I have personally be given tours at several haunts while operating & also while not. There is something about being able to "look" and take your own time to see what you want.
Our problem "and I bet a lot of others also" is the haunt is only "ready" during the time we are operating...any other time it's under construction.
I know the guys at hacker house have done a "meet & greet"  in the past, but I don't know if it's just for actors & the "haunt industry" or not... maybe Slappy can share more.
Slaughter


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Slappy on July 14, 2012, 07:00:11 PM
For me, touching is okay as long as it's done right, just like anything else.  I don't want anyone getting hurt, or molested.  Maybe fingers through the hair, a grab at a leg or arm, someone (or something) brushes up against you as they walk past.  But I don't want someone just grabbing me and fighting with me.  Now maybe if you were to grab one person from a group and make them go off on their own...that would be interesting. 
Not actually being "inside" the haunt, I make contact with hundreds of people every night.  Some is initiated by me, but most of it is initiated by them.  Whether it be a high five, handshake, or some other contact, it works well for lulling people into a false sense of security.  Then when they get inside, it's no-holds-barred! 
Contact between actors and patrons can be very useful for a scare, but you have to have actors that can gauge which person is willing to be touched.  I've already seen enough people get pushed, punched or knocked down without initiating contact.  No inexperience actors or loose cannons should be allowed to do the touching.  Experienced, mature actors only.  Ones that can tell when to touch and not touch, when to back off, or when to push forward. 
As far as something like we did at Hacker House, with the full "lights out" tour and full contact.  It's take a certain type of person to be on both sides of that to be okay with it.  And that's exactly what you need.


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Sissyhaunt on July 14, 2012, 08:42:53 PM
I agree with slappy, but I can honestly say HH has never lulled meinto any sense of security lol


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Slappy on July 14, 2012, 08:47:13 PM
What, we don't make you feel all warm and fuzzy before you go into the haunt?


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Prof. Hacker on July 16, 2012, 11:06:10 AM
...a behind the scenes look. Yes, I know, you didn't ask about that, just thought I would suggest it while I could! :)

We should be able to arrange something...  ;-)

-Prof.


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Sissyhaunt on July 16, 2012, 04:50:01 PM
Wooo Hooo!!!


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Julie on July 16, 2012, 07:15:59 PM
@Prof. Hacker,

You did understand that I didn't mean your folks dragged me behind the scenes, right? :)


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Cousin Levi Slaughter on July 16, 2012, 07:27:18 PM
I think Julie might have been to Hacker House before....


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Julie on July 16, 2012, 07:29:45 PM
I'd say that was a fair bet, Slaughter.


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Slappy on July 17, 2012, 11:20:27 AM
She's also a movie star at Hacker House...


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Julie on July 17, 2012, 10:39:04 PM
LOL! Oh really. Next time, warn me so I can be ready for my close up!

And if you have footage, I would love to see it. I still have all my glow sticks. :)


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Slappy on July 18, 2012, 10:44:46 AM
I believe I have it here somewhere.  I'll have to shoot you an email Julie. 


Title: Re: What do you think about....
Post by: Julie on July 19, 2012, 05:53:25 PM
That would be awesome, Slappy! Doing a happy dance!!